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There is more proof against the existence of god/jesus than for him
I've (embarrassingly) spent considerable time on these threads and have noticed a recurring theme: many religious posts assert their perspective as the only valid one, often dismissing others. Non-religious individuals should not face shame for their lack of belief. My aim is to balance the discussion and encourage thoughtful, respectful conversation. Below are some reflections that question the existence of a higher power. I look forward to engaging dialogue:

1. Across the world, countless innocent children endure unimaginable suffering, trapped and abused by their captors. Many pray fervently for help each night, yet their pleas seem unanswered. If God or Jesus hears these prayers, is He unable or unwilling to intervene? Or are the prayers simply unheard? If a higher power has set everything into motion, is this suffering part of a divine plan? In such circumstances, is praying for relief an attempt to alter God's will?

2. Recently, two Christian missionaries lost their lives in a plane crash while traveling to share their faith. If God orchestrates all events, was this tragedy part of His plan? Why would a higher power allow the death of devoted followers dedicated to spreading His message, especially when they likely prayed for protection? This raises difficult questions about the nature of divine intent.

3. Another tragedy involved severe flooding in central Texas, which devastated a Christian bible camp. Many innocent children lost their lives, leaving families shattered by grief. These young lives were cut short, depriving them of the chance to experience the world. If a higher power desired their return, does that justify the profound loss and suffering inflicted on those left behind? Such events are difficult to reconcile with the idea of a benevolent deity.

4. Imagine a scenario where a wealthy philanthropist dedicates their life to helping humanity—founding schools and orphanages, curing diseases, and alleviating hunger. Yet, upon death, if God or Jesus were to dismiss these deeds simply because they weren't performed in His name, condemning the individual regardless of their impact, it would seem unjust and egotistical. This notion challenges the fairness attributed to a divine being.

5. Why are claims of miracles—such as seeing the face of God or Jesus in mundane objects—so common on Earth, yet there is no evidence of divine artifacts or signs in places untouched by humans, like Mars? Despite extensive exploration and imagery from NASA, we find no clear indication of a higher power beyond our planet.

6. Every religion claims to possess the ultimate truth, often insisting that all others are mistaken. How can mutually exclusive beliefs all be correct? This contradiction raises significant doubts.

7. Consider childhood illnesses like bone cancer—diseases that claim the lives of children before they have a chance to truly live. This senseless suffering is difficult to reconcile with the concept of a compassionate, omnipotent deity.

8. In my view, religious texts such as the Bible were originally crafted to impart a group’s values—much like Aesop’s fables—rather than to be interpreted literally. Over time, however, religion has also become a powerful tool for social control, with threats of eternal punishment used to enforce compliance with specific behaviors that serve the interests of those in power. As noted earlier, prayer appears ineffective if everything is already predetermined by a divine plan. Human nature seeks patterns and affirmation, leading people to interpret events in ways that align with their beliefs. Furthermore, scripture is often written in ambiguous language, allowing for broad interpretation and personal adaptation. This ambiguity is evident in the ongoing debates among Christians themselves over the meaning of various passages.

I may add more points in the future, but for now, these considerations provide plenty of food for thought. Feel free to add to the list or refute!
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I like to simplify it to (what created, that what created the Big Bang.)

—See easy. Nobody can answer it and it shuts down the mind to a void. People who don't have faith and like to overthink things. This what I just said, is potent to their very thought process.

Like seriously actually try to think about what I just said. 🤔
Last edited by DarkAmbience; 9 Dec @ 4:48pm
In before the thread is locked.
Believe whatever you like, but GOD and Christ are real, GOD is our creator and Christ is the son of GOD. Any people who don't believe will find out when "this world" comes to an end. Hopefully soon, rather than later.

cheers, i was here before the locked thread. Boo ya.
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You see, as a fellow non-believer, this doesn't do anything but make all of us look bad. It's one thing to challenge dogmas when they are being pushed. It's another to nail a manifesto to the door.
Originally posted by DailymotionGamer:
In before the thread is locked.
Believe whatever you like, but GOD and Christ are real, GOD is our creator and Christ is the son of GOD. Any people who don't believe will find out when "this world" comes to an end. Hopefully soon, rather than later.

cheers, i was here before the locked thread. Boo ya.

Why would it be locked? It's just my opinion, I only want to have good conversation. Plenty of other opinionated threads on here, sorry if I make you question your faith.
Originally posted by DarkAmbience:
I like to simplify it to (what created, that what created the Big Bang.)

—See easy. Nobody can answer it and it shuts down the mind to a void.

Like seriously actually try to think about what I just said. 🤔
This answer lies within the Higgs Boson.
Originally posted by Grimble Grumble:
You see, as a fellow non-believer, this doesn't do anything but make all of us look bad. It's one thing to challenge dogmas when they are being pushed. It's another to nail a manifesto to the door.

These are questions I have thought about, yet, have never received answers. Are you telling me I shouldn't say what I think? It's ok for religious people to post but what about those that don't agree?
Originally posted by Alice Liddell:
Originally posted by DarkAmbience:
I like to simplify it to (what created, that what created the Big Bang.)

—See easy. Nobody can answer it and it shuts down the mind to a void.

Like seriously actually try to think about what I just said. 🤔
This answer lies within the Higgs Boson.

I'm gonna have to look that one up. But lemme ask. What created that? And so on. Eventually ones mind can no longer go back. Kind of a cool thought process huh ^_^
Jaxx 9 Dec @ 4:53pm 
There is no provable answer, OP. Only probability.
Originally posted by DarkAmbience:
Originally posted by Alice Liddell:
This answer lies within the Higgs Boson.

I'm gonna have to look that one up. But lemme ask. What created that? And so on. Eventually ones mind can no longer go back. Kind of a cool thought process huh ^_^
Gluon fusion.
who is this him? than whom?
in this, I am englightened by my own intelligence
what about gro-goroth? or sylvian? or rher the trickster moon god? i think the evidence is pretty strong confirming their existences
#1, 2, 3 and 7 all have to do with suffering, and how you cannot believe that a benevolent God exists in the face of such suffering.

Do you think that there could possibly be a reason for God to allow suffering or that there could possibly be an explanation that reconciles suffering with an omnipotent, just and loving God?
Originally posted by TheSteaksHaveNeverBeenHigher:
There is more proof against the existence of god/jesus than for him

while the science enjoyer in me wants to agree right away, a true statement could be - we don't know what we don't know!

I personally think of it like those manual - wind film cameras with an embarrassing resolution, out in space, viewing the stars that we can see, and nothing that we can't.

we only 'assume' the universe is x billion years old, but that's because we cannot see any further. there is no more data

i think if we keep zooming out on stuff, and keep zooming in on stuff, with higher and higher resolution on things, we will change our perceptions even more. and it would behoove one, to remain as impartial and open minded as possible.

because you never quite know what you will know, tomorrow.
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