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Or are people with autism just "different"?

I've had someone try to argue that people with severe autism, where they can't feed themselves, bathe themselves, or live independently, don't have a disorder at all, they just "need help".

What do you think?

If you need help in your everyday life, it's a disability, period. I don't even understand why peoples may even argue about that. Of course it's a disorder.

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What do you think?

I think that if a day goes by where you don't punch down on somebody your batteries run out.

To me, it is a curse.

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What do you think?

I think that if a day goes by where you don't punch down on somebody your batteries run out.

Sorry, I don't play your "hierarchy of oppression" games.

In the immortal words of Keenan and Kel....

"Awwwwwwwww here (we) goooooooo!!!"

...but before I get torn apart, please know I am a psychologist who has devoted his life and career to better the lives of those on the autism spectrum. I love the population, and I love my work.

That being said...I know of this issue very well. Autism is 1000% a disorder...not a different way of thinking or anything like that. It is a spectrum, so you will have your "higher functioning" individuals, and those that need more assistance. I have seen both sides - the kids who just need assistance with understanding social cues, as well as the individuals who cannot thrive in the natural environment without assistance.

The neurodiversity movement means well, but they are more than likely doing more harm than good. They are pushing to remove autism as a disability, as they believe it's just a different way of thinking. This can't be farther from the truth. One of my favorite articles (Shields & Beversdorf, 2021) delve into this issue. Per the DSM-V, symptoms of ASD include not understanding non-vocal social cues. The article explains three situations where this has created serious issues for autistic adults.

For instance, one case mentioned an autistic gentleman who went to a job interview. When he first arrived, the female interviewer smiled at him, shook his hand, and would laugh softly at some of his jokes. The autistic gentleman took these signs as romantic affection and began stalking the woman - a serious crime. He was arrested, but released right after when the situation was explained.

So here is where the neurodiversity movement is going to mess up. If they succeed with removing autism as a disorder, autistic individuals will be tried as "neurotypical" in such situations as the one above. Part of proving someone's guilt is intention...but if the person does not realize what they are doing is wrong, it will not matter.

The hard truth is that not every environment will want to modify itself to accommodate the autistic community, That takes time and effort that some do not have. Like everyone else in the world, we should be teaching these individuals to adapt to the environment. We are all expected to adapt to whatever environment we are in. Let's give autistic individuals the dignity they deserve.

Reference:

Shields, K., & Beversdorf, D. (2021). A Dilemma For Neurodiversity. Neuroethics, 14(2), 125–141. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12152-020-09431-x

Cue Kris Chan to come in hot.

Autism isn’t a disorder, it’s something Gen-Z are born with.

Words... don´t come easy to me. How can i... hold on i need the lyrics

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I think that if a day goes by where you don't punch down on somebody your batteries run out.

Sorry, I don't play your "hierarchy of oppression" games.

Is it? Here i would have to assume the OP is a bit sensitive.

No i can´t, shouldn´t say what´s what with it since i´m no expert on anything, it´s very important if it´s called a disorder or a "need some help´er"?

It is a disorder. If one doesn't live it as such, that's their business, but to me autism has been a huge obstacle.

Whatever possesses people to make these threads fishing for validation is also a disorder.

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Words... don´t come easy to me. How can i... hold on i need the lyrics

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Sorry, I don't play your "hierarchy of oppression" games.

Is it? Here i would have to assume the OP is a bit sensitive.

No i can´t, shouldn´t say what´s what with it since i´m no expert on anything, it´s very important if it´s called a disorder or a "need some help´er"?

just report this post it contains language that disparages severe autistic people

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I think that if a day goes by where you don't punch down on somebody your batteries run out.

Sorry, I don't play your "hierarchy of oppression" games.

I thought it was meant to be a compliment to you, suggesting that you don't have anyone who can argue with you on your level.

Yes and no. As far as I know modern psychology speaks of a disorder if a condition keeps you from caring for yourself, working, relationships, family.
But if its not harmful to the individual or others its just treated as variation of life.

If i may suggest a solution, ask the autistic ppl themselves what they prefer to be called, if one wants to be extra sensitive about it and maybe so, it applies to be extra sensitive about it i mean.

Everything can be fixed from your diet. Eat real food and stay away from anything that turns into sugar especially carbs

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Everything can be fixed from your diet. Eat real food and stay away from anything that turns into sugar especially carbs

I'm pretty sure that's not the way to fix autism ...