What kind of sound would it be that gets you going?

Originally posted by Mari:

What kind of sound would it be that gets you going?

I also see a correlation with it with keyboard enthusiasts, I once was a keyboard enthusiast myself and bought a very specific keyboard, a 65% with yellow switches because I wanted that "thocky" sound. So that's another thing, we can't escape from nice clicking sound.

Theres twitch streamers that are trained

For us it can go beyond just sounds too, those anti-stress widgets? you can click with your fingers and they feel satisfying.

Lemme just slide on in here for a sec....

Those "clicks" are generally conditioned reinforcers that have been paired with some favorable change in the environment in the past. Usually, the "click" has no reinforcing value until it has been paired with an unconditioned stimulus - or unlearned reinforcers (e.g., food, water, warmth). That's why you see dog trainers "pair" the click with immediate reinforcement, such as delivering a treat with the snack. Over time, the association is made that "click" = "good".

What the trainers do then is click when they see desired behaviors, but they do not have to always present a treat. However, the click loses its reinforcing value if future clicks are not paired with intermittent positive stimuli.

Operant conditioning.

The last dog I had, I used a clicker to train her. It actually works very well. You give a click whenever you give them a treat and psychologically they'll associate that click with the good feeling they receive when they get a treat. Then, whenever the dog does something positive, you can click, and give an immediate positive response to their action. This greatly increases their ability to associate the action you want them to perform with the reward you are going to give them.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

The last dog I had, I used a clicker to train her. It actually works very well. You give a click whenever you give them a treat and psychologically they'll associate that click with the good feeling they receive when they get a treat. Then, whenever the dog does something positive, you can click, and give an immediate positive response to their action. This greatly increases their ability to associate the action you want them to perform with the reward you are going to give them.

My man. Take my psychology points, I like you.

You could probably just as well pair a shock with the click sound. Do this with everything until its behavioral range has been narrowed to only the desired actions, and any creativity is solely bound by the looming threat of punishment. Intermittent reinforcement regimes with a bit of a confusion component are the strongest. Positive reinforcement fades and is easier to hijack. The primary issue is architecting a system which avoids the more generalized forms of learned helplessness. ie the animal can't just be made to go dormant and stop responding to positive or negative cues.

Originally posted by TheSteaksHaveNeverBeenHigher:

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

The last dog I had, I used a clicker to train her. It actually works very well. You give a click whenever you give them a treat and psychologically they'll associate that click with the good feeling they receive when they get a treat. Then, whenever the dog does something positive, you can click, and give an immediate positive response to their action. This greatly increases their ability to associate the action you want them to perform with the reward you are going to give them.

My man. Take my psychology points, I like you.

It works with people as well as animals, both positive and negative associations. To give an example of this, I had these shoes one time that had a tendency to charge up static electricity to the point I would actually get shocked every time I touched a metal doorknob. After enough times doing that, I'm still nervous every time I touch a doorknob because I associate it with getting shocked, even though I fully know that doesn't happen to me anymore. The association gets baked in.

Originally posted by Acyoax:

You could probably just as well pair a shock with the click sound. Do this with everything until its behavioral range has been narrowed to only the desired actions, and any creativity is solely bound by the looming threat of punishment. Intermittent reinforcement regimes with a bit of a confusion component are the strongest. Positive reinforcement fades and is easier to hijack. The primary issue is architecting a system which avoids the more generalized forms of learned helplessness. ie the animal can't just be made to go dormant and stop responding to positive or negative cues.

You are correct, we call that a conditioned punisher. I like the way you explain this. You wouldn't happen to be in the psych field as well?

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Originally posted by TheSteaksHaveNeverBeenHigher:

My man. Take my psychology points, I like you.

It works with people as well as animals, both positive and negative associations. To give an example of this, I had these shoes one time that had a tendency to charge up static electricity to the point I would actually get shocked every time I touched a metal doorknob. After enough times doing that, I'm still nervous every time I touch a doorknob because I associate it with getting shocked, even though I fully know that doesn't happen to me anymore. The association gets baked in.

You're speaking my language, brother. It's all operant conditioning - S - R - S. It's how all organisms learn

Could you perhaps be a puppygirl? I know some that like to be clicker trained :3

Originally posted by libadwaita ΘΔ (she/they):

Could you perhaps be a puppygirl? I know some that like to be clicker trained :3

Perhaps.

i like being treated like a dog

Originally posted by libadwaita ΘΔ (she/they):

Could you perhaps be a puppygirl? I know some that like to be clicker trained :3

aye

Originally posted by TheSteaksHaveNeverBeenHigher:

You are correct, we call that a conditioned punisher. I like the way you explain this. You wouldn't happen to be in the psych field as well?

No, but I studied and fixated on these things for a long time. It's quite important.