Do you have a time machine so we can see what Bernie vs Trump would look like? Trump said he would have liked to debated Bernie and thought it would have actually been a good campaign. I for one agree. I think that they would have actually had great debates.

Have you seen Bernie's teeth?

That much money and the man won't pay a dentist.

Truth is neither side has a solution, and I don't see the government dismantling the health care system over the next 40 years.

Originally posted by Agenda 2025:

Have you seen Bernie's teeth?

That much money and the man won't pay a dentist.

have you seen Trump?

Originally posted by steven1mac:

Truth is neither side has a solution, and I don't see the government dismantling the health care system over the next 40 years.

I hate to admit it, but this is more or less the truth of the matter.

Single-payer won't work out for the US the way it does for Europe, AUS, etc; our population is too large, and the density of that population is all over the place. Distribution of funding would be wildly different in urban and rural areas as a function of population concentration, and the relative tax bases supporting each would only exacerbate the situation.

But the present Republican model of "just let people buy their own healthcare" is a non-starter, too. Insurance markets have shown, time and again, that they will not self-regulate in any way that is affordable--or even accessible--for the majority of Americans. My wife and I carry solid insurance, and I was still out of pocket over a grand for X-rays and an ultrasound after a recent knee injury. That outlay didn't hurt us near as much as it might have hurt other couples, as we do alright financially, and we don't have children, but it could've been bad if we had little ones to support--and that was just for initial care, before physical therapy and the ortho surgeon got hold of me.

...and this is to say nothing of premiums paid when you're not even using the service (yes, I know how premium-vs-payout works, but still).

Short of grabbing the insurance and pharmaceutical companies by the short hairs (which neither party will do in any meaningful fashion), I don't know what the answer is.