Funny, the ones calling the tariff rebalancing a war are the ones who were ripping off the USA.

Several new trade agreements that benefit Americans, hundreds of billions in new tariff revenue. Trillions in new investments... What exactly did we lose again?

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ulfrinn:

Several new trade agreements that benefit Americans, hundreds of billions in new tariff revenue. Trillions in new investments... What exactly did we lose again?

Who do you think actually pays tariffs?

It's American companies and consumers, not China. The revenue is literally just a tax on Americans buying stuff.

What did you lose to redistribute the wealth in the US? Farming exports collapsed, consumer prices went up on tons of goods, and US producers relying on China had their supply chains disrupted.

I just paid $2.79 for gas buddy I don't know what you're talking about.

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarkCrystalMethod:

Funny, the ones calling the tariff rebalancing a war are the ones who were ripping off the USA.

Trump is basically using the tariff dividend payment to send every American $2000.

Tariffs are legally paid by U.S. importers, and the cost is usually passed on to American businesses and consumers.

It’s hilarious, Trump keeps calling everyone else communist, meanwhile he’s out here doing straight-up redistribution.

He slaps tariffs on imports (which Americans pay), the government scoops up the extra cash, and then he sends everyone a $2000 check.

$18+ trillion in foreign investment is not losing.

You continue to take the campaign negative, OP.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Ulfrinn:

Several new trade agreements that benefit Americans, hundreds of billions in new tariff revenue. Trillions in new investments... What exactly did we lose again?

Who do you think actually pays tariffs?

It's American companies and consumers, not China. The revenue is literally just a tax on Americans buying stuff.

What did you lose to redistribute the wealth in the US? Farming exports collapsed, consumer prices went up on tons of goods, and US producers relying on China had their supply chains disrupted.

Given the PPI is rising faster than the CPI, it is factually the corporations paying the difference in order to remain competitive. If you think tariffs are supposed to make China pay more, then it is clear you don't even have rudimentary knowledge of what they are or what they do. The purpose is to make importing from China more expensive, to keep markets competitive with other nations. This is a big reason why so many other countries are eager to sign new trade agreements with the US, so that our companies can start to move their business elsewhere to avoid the higher tariffs.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaxx:

$18+ trillion in foreign investment is not losing.

You continue to take the campaign negative, OP.

Notice how he ignores these facts to continue pushing a narrative? No interest in actual dialogue or honest discussion, but just repeated attempts to hammer in a narrative that doesn't fit the reality.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaxx:

$18+ trillion in foreign investment is not losing.

You continue to take the campaign negative, OP.

Pie in the sky, the official White House number in much lower and some of those investments were made in the Biden era and due to the AI boom.

In other words, they would have happened anyway.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Arvaos ⚚:

Who do you think actually pays tariffs?

It's American companies and consumers, not China. The revenue is literally just a tax on Americans buying stuff.

What did you lose to redistribute the wealth in the US? Farming exports collapsed, consumer prices went up on tons of goods, and US producers relying on China had their supply chains disrupted.

Given the PPI is rising faster than the CPI, it is factually the corporations paying the difference in order to remain competitive. If you think tariffs are supposed to make China pay more, then it is clear you don't even have rudimentary knowledge of what they are or what they do. The purpose is to make importing from China more expensive, to keep markets competitive with other nations. This is a big reason why so many other countries are eager to sign new trade agreements with the US, so that our companies can start to move their business elsewhere to avoid the higher tariffs.

Sure, tariffs encourage diversification. Everyone gets that.

China's trade surplus hitting record highs and their exports growing didn't accomplish the goal of weakening their position.

You're paying MORE for goods whether they come from China, Vietnam, or Mexico.

Moving supply chains isn't free, it costs billions and takes years and guess who pays for that transition? Not China lmao.

Also if PPI rising faster than CPI means corporations are absorbing costs, that's not sustainable long-term. Eventually those costs get passed on or companies cut workers or profits tank and stocks drop.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Arvaos ⚚:

Why have Americans lost their trade wars on China?

Because Trump has the mental capacity of 3 yr old -- but the world is more complicated than he can understand.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Darth Invader:

I just paid $2.79 for gas buddy I don't know what you're talking about.

Winter gas is always cheap.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Arvaos ⚚:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaxx:

$18+ trillion in foreign investment is not losing.

You continue to take the campaign negative, OP.

Pie in the sky, the official White House number in much lower and some of those investments were made in the Biden era and due to the AI boom.

In other words, they would have happened anyway.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ulfrinn:

Given the PPI is rising faster than the CPI, it is factually the corporations paying the difference in order to remain competitive. If you think tariffs are supposed to make China pay more, then it is clear you don't even have rudimentary knowledge of what they are or what they do. The purpose is to make importing from China more expensive, to keep markets competitive with other nations. This is a big reason why so many other countries are eager to sign new trade agreements with the US, so that our companies can start to move their business elsewhere to avoid the higher tariffs.

Sure, tariffs encourage diversification. Everyone gets that.

China's trade surplus hitting record highs and their exports growing didn't accomplish the goal of weakening their position.

You're paying MORE for goods whether they come from China, Vietnam, or Mexico.

Moving supply chains isn't free, it costs billions and takes years and guess who pays for that transition? Not China lmao.

Also if PPI rising faster than CPI means corporations are absorbing costs, that's not sustainable long-term. Eventually those costs get passed on or companies cut workers or profits tank and stocks drop.

We don't give a rat's ass if it helps or hurts China. That isn't the goal. The goal is to keep our own markets fair for competition. And I've not been paying more for anything. You couldn't be more obvious that you're trying to spread pro-CCP drivel. Taiwan is not part of China.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Darth Invader:

I just paid $2.79 for gas buddy I don't know what you're talking about.

Winter gas is always cheap.

This.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Jaxx:

$18+ trillion in foreign investment is not losing.

You continue to take the campaign negative, OP.

Pie in the sky, the official White House number in much lower and some of those investments were made in the Biden era and due to the AI boom.

In other words, they would have happened anyway.

The investment is real and profound. And will be realized in the markets next year.

Listen to Ulfrinn. Smart man.

Trump is correcting what your Dementia in chief screwed up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trrzw8kq1Bs