Originally posted by 白いキツネ:

I'm stunned by their cover-ups

Since we're talking about China here, lets go ahead and have a polite discussion. Here is some insight:

🟥 Crimes Against Humanity & Human Rights Abuses

1. The Uyghur Genocide (Ongoing)

Over 1 million Uyghur Muslims detained in Xinjiang “re-education” camps.

Forced sterilizations, family separations, torture, and ideological indoctrination.

Satellite imagery and survivor testimony confirm large-scale abuses.


2. Tiananmen Square Massacre (1989)

Peaceful student-led protests brutally crushed.

Death toll estimated between several hundred to thousands.

CCP censors all references, even online images of Tank Man.


3. Falun Gong Persecution (Since 1999)

Banned spiritual group targeted by mass arrests, forced labor, and organ harvesting.

Multiple international investigations (e.g., Kilgour–Matas report) found credible evidence of systematic organ theft.


4. Tibet Suppression (Since 1950)

Invasion and occupation followed by cultural erasure and displacement.

Monasteries destroyed, monks imprisoned or disappeared.

The Dalai Lama remains in exile.



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🟨 Major Cover-Ups

5. COVID-19 Outbreak (2019–2020)

Early whistleblowers (e.g., Dr. Li Wenliang) silenced or punished.

Data and samples hidden from global scientists for critical weeks.

WHO misled due to pressure from Beijing.


6. SARS Outbreak Cover-Up (2003)

Initial outbreak hidden from both the public and WHO for months.

Contributed to the international spread of the virus.


7. 2008 Sichuan Earthquake – School Collapses

“Tofu-dreg” school buildings killed thousands of children.

Parents silenced, lawyers detained, journalists expelled.

No officials held accountable for substandard construction.


8. HIV Blood Scandal (1990s)

Henan province: government-run blood collection centers reused needles, infected 100,000+ people.

Victims silenced; officials promoted.



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🟦 Environmental and Industrial Disasters

9. 2015 Tianjin Explosions

Massive industrial chemical explosion killed 173 people.

Poor storage regulations ignored.

Info blackout followed, journalists detained.


10. Yangtze River Flood Mismanagement (Various Years)

Dam projects like the Three Gorges altered natural ecosystems.

Poor planning led to worse flooding in downstream provinces.

Censorship blocked discussion on ecological effects.


11. Lead Poisoning in Children (Multiple Incidents)

Entire villages poisoned by local factories.

Parents arrested for protesting.

Authorities falsified or downplayed test results.



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🟪 Tech & Surveillance Abuses

12. Social Credit System

Mass digital surveillance program tracking citizens' behavior, purchases, speech.

“Bad behavior” can result in being banned from travel, school, or jobs.


13. Great Firewall of China

Totalitarian control of internet access.

Blocks Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, YouTube, foreign news, and more.

VPN users tracked and punished.


14. Cyber Espionage & Theft

Ongoing global IP theft campaign targeting U.S. and Canadian companies.

Thousands of cyberattacks on research institutions, defense contractors, and corporations.



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🟧 Political Manipulation & Global Interference

15. Disappearance of Dissidents & Tycoons

Jack Ma, Peng Shuai, Ren Zhiqiang (critic of Xi)—all vanished temporarily after public dissent.

Journalists like Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin detained after covering Wuhan outbreak.


16. Belt and Road Debt Traps

Loans to developing nations for infrastructure in exchange for political allegiance.

Countries like Sri Lanka forced to hand over assets when unable to repay.


17. Influence in Foreign Universities & Media

Confucius Institutes act as soft power arms, sometimes censoring academic speech.

Chinese companies pressure Western studios and platforms to edit or avoid “sensitive” topics.



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🔻 Internal Systemic Failures

18. Hukou System (Household Registration)

Discriminates against rural citizens, denies them education, health care in cities.

Entrenches class divide and labor exploitation.


19. One-Child Policy Abuses (1979–2015)

Forced abortions, sterilizations, and infanticide.

Skewed gender ratio resulting in 30+ million “missing women.”


20. Cultural Revolution (1966–1976)

1.5+ million deaths, persecution of intellectuals, destruction of historical artifacts.

Mao’s regime encouraged children to denounce parents; society destabilized for a decade.

The US has been spearheading sporadic efforts to restart rare-earths production and magnet manufacture either at home or in friendlier countries. But these efforts are yet to bear real fruit. The IEA estimates that a decade from now, China will still account for 85pc of refined rare-earths output.

This leaves Trump cornered. He has been talking up the prospects of Ukraine and Greenland as alternatives, but his presidency will be long gone before the US can reach a deal with either.

Trump is in over his head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSLJo4QXbs&t=347s

Originally posted by 白いキツネ:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

The US has been spearheading sporadic efforts to restart rare-earths production and magnet manufacture either at home or in friendlier countries. But these efforts are yet to bear real fruit. The IEA estimates that a decade from now, China will still account for 85pc of refined rare-earths output.

This leaves Trump cornered. He has been talking up the prospects of Ukraine and Greenland as alternatives, but his presidency will be long gone before the US can reach a deal with either.

But what about the fragility of the Chinese CCP?

As of mid-2025, several Western countries are experiencing notable political instability:

1. United States – High political polarization, ongoing legal issues involving political figures, and concerns over election integrity ahead of the 2024 presidential election aftermath.

2. France – Protests and strikes over pension reforms and immigration laws, along with rising far-right influence.

3. Germany – Coalition tensions, rising support for the far-right AfD party, and debates over energy and immigration.

4. United Kingdom – Continued fallout from Brexit, economic pressures, and leadership instability within major parties.

5. Spain – Regional tensions, especially around Catalonia, and fragile coalition governance.


How's the west?

Originally posted by 白いキツネ:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

The US has been spearheading sporadic efforts to restart rare-earths production and magnet manufacture either at home or in friendlier countries. But these efforts are yet to bear real fruit. The IEA estimates that a decade from now, China will still account for 85pc of refined rare-earths output.

This leaves Trump cornered. He has been talking up the prospects of Ukraine and Greenland as alternatives, but his presidency will be long gone before the US can reach a deal with either.

But what about the fragility of the Chinese CCP?

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is often portrayed as powerful and unified, but in reality, it’s a fragile, paranoid system barely holding itself together. Politically, it survives by suppressing dissent and manufacturing fear, not through legitimacy or public trust. Xi Jinping has purged rivals and centralized power to a dangerous degree, leaving no room for honest feedback or course correction. Censorship is rampant — they fear memes, satire, even cartoons like Winnie the Pooh — because they know their control is paper-thin. Ideologically, the Party has nothing left. “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” is hollow, and younger generations know it. Nationalism is forced, not felt, and there's a growing disconnect between the regime and the people it's trying to rule.

Economically, the system is breaking down. Real estate — nearly a third of the economy — is collapsing, with giants like Evergrande defaulting and cities filling with ghost buildings. Local governments are buried in unpayable debt, youth unemployment is so high they stopped releasing the numbers, and the economy can’t innovate under tight control and tech sanctions. Meanwhile, China is facing a demographic disaster: birth rates have fallen off a cliff, the population is shrinking, and the aging crisis is unavoidable. The One-Child Policy’s damage is permanent, and the regime has no real solution. Socially, people are giving up. Movements like “lying flat” and “let it rot” reflect mass burnout, quiet rebellion, and total disillusionment among the youth. There’s no hope, no upward mobility, and no reward for playing by the rules.

Internally, the CCP is fractured. Factional power struggles are disguised as anti-corruption campaigns. Rural regions are neglected while big cities hoard resources. Even party officials are frustrated — overworked, underpaid, and blamed for failures from above. Externally, China is facing a wave of rejection. Tech sanctions are hitting hard, Belt and Road is backfiring, foreign investment is fleeing, and the CCP’s reputation is sinking. This is not a rising power — this is a regime managing decline and silencing every sign of it. The more force they use, the more cracks they reveal. What looks like control is actually fear of collapse. And fear is a terrible foundation for the future.

ok so you think usa or china going to have a civil war first, will look fun if both countries have their civil war in same time and chinese come in usa to fight in american civil war and american come in china to fight in chinese civil war

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Has Trump picked a fight he can't win?

Trump never wins fights. He always TACOs. And, in all the court cases he has tried, he has never won any of them.

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Has Trump picked a fight he can't win?

Trump never wins fights. He always TACOs. And, in all the court cases he has tried, he has never won any of them.

he taco bell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cF6D8zDa9U&ab_channel=BlueCereal

I read the title like Yugi pulling out Exodia against Seto Kaiba.

https://youtu.be/RfqNH3FoGi0?si=fsgJoVOHBP8_YgMW

Originally posted by 白いキツネ:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

As of mid-2025, several Western countries are experiencing notable political instability:

1. United States – High political polarization, ongoing legal issues involving political figures, and concerns over election integrity ahead of the 2024 presidential election aftermath.

2. France – Protests and strikes over pension reforms and immigration laws, along with rising far-right influence.

3. Germany – Coalition tensions, rising support for the far-right AfD party, and debates over energy and immigration.

4. United Kingdom – Continued fallout from Brexit, economic pressures, and leadership instability within major parties.

5. Spain – Regional tensions, especially around Catalonia, and fragile coalition governance.


How's the west?

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is often portrayed as powerful and unified, but in reality, it’s a fragile, paranoid system barely holding itself together. Politically, it survives by suppressing dissent and manufacturing fear, not through legitimacy or public trust. Xi Jinping has purged rivals and centralized power to a dangerous degree, leaving no room for honest feedback or course correction. Censorship is rampant — they fear memes, satire, even cartoons like Winnie the Pooh — because they know their control is paper-thin. Ideologically, the Party has nothing left. “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” is hollow, and younger generations know it. Nationalism is forced, not felt, and there's a growing disconnect between the regime and the people it's trying to rule.

Economically, the system is breaking down. Real estate — nearly a third of the economy — is collapsing, with giants like Evergrande defaulting and cities filling with ghost buildings. Local governments are buried in unpayable debt, youth unemployment is so high they stopped releasing the numbers, and the economy can’t innovate under tight control and tech sanctions. Meanwhile, China is facing a demographic disaster: birth rates have fallen off a cliff, the population is shrinking, and the aging crisis is unavoidable. The One-Child Policy’s damage is permanent, and the regime has no real solution. Socially, people are giving up. Movements like “lying flat” and “let it rot” reflect mass burnout, quiet rebellion, and total disillusionment among the youth. There’s no hope, no upward mobility, and no reward for playing by the rules.

Internally, the CCP is fractured. Factional power struggles are disguised as anti-corruption campaigns. Rural regions are neglected while big cities hoard resources. Even party officials are frustrated — overworked, underpaid, and blamed for failures from above. Externally, China is facing a wave of rejection. Tech sanctions are hitting hard, Belt and Road is backfiring, foreign investment is fleeing, and the CCP’s reputation is sinking. This is not a rising power — this is a regime managing decline and silencing every sign of it. The more force they use, the more cracks they reveal. What looks like control is actually fear of collapse. And fear is a terrible foundation for the future.

To summarize:

Centralized power = brittle decision-making. Xi Jinping has removed internal feedback loops. One mistake from the top can cascade across the whole system. (See: Zero-COVID, tech crackdown, Evergrande.)

Demographic collapse is already underway. China’s working-age population is shrinking fast, and the fertility rate is below 1.0 — a level from which no country has recovered without massive immigration (which China doesn’t allow).

Youth burnout and silent rebellion. “Lying flat” and “let it rot” aren’t memes — they’re expressions of a broken social contract. The CCP offers obedience, surveillance, and economic precarity in exchange for... what, exactly?

Economy can’t decouple from real estate. Nearly a third of GDP is in a bubble that’s now deflating. Foreign capital is leaving. Domestic consumer confidence is down. There’s no internal engine left but debt and denial.

Legitimacy is manufactured. No real elections, no opposition, and no moral foundation beyond historical fear. Once the fear wears thin, the cracks grow fast.

China’s projected 4–5% growth in 2025, while lower than in its boom years, still outpaces most advanced economies.

The US growth outlook was revised to just 1.6% this year and 1.5% in 2026.

Substantial increases in barriers to trade, tighter financial conditions, weaker business and consumer confidence and heightened policy uncertainty will all have marked adverse effects.

US inflation could even be closing in on 4% toward the end of 2025, the OECD said.

TACO

Originally posted by 白いキツネ:

I'm stunned by their cover-ups

Since we're talking about China here, lets go ahead and have a polite discussion. Here is some insight:

🟥 Crimes Against Humanity & Human Rights Abuses

1. The Uyghur Genocide (Ongoing)

Over 1 million Uyghur Muslims detained in Xinjiang “re-education” camps.

Forced sterilizations, family separations, torture, and ideological indoctrination.

Satellite imagery and survivor testimony confirm large-scale abuses.


2. Tiananmen Square Massacre (1989)

Peaceful student-led protests brutally crushed.

Death toll estimated between several hundred to thousands.

CCP censors all references, even online images of Tank Man.


3. Falun Gong Persecution (Since 1999)

Banned spiritual group targeted by mass arrests, forced labor, and organ harvesting.

Multiple international investigations (e.g., Kilgour–Matas report) found credible evidence of systematic organ theft.


4. Tibet Suppression (Since 1950)

Invasion and occupation followed by cultural erasure and displacement.

Monasteries destroyed, monks imprisoned or disappeared.

The Dalai Lama remains in exile.



---

🟨 Major Cover-Ups

5. COVID-19 Outbreak (2019–2020)

Early whistleblowers (e.g., Dr. Li Wenliang) silenced or punished.

Data and samples hidden from global scientists for critical weeks.

WHO misled due to pressure from Beijing.


6. SARS Outbreak Cover-Up (2003)

Initial outbreak hidden from both the public and WHO for months.

Contributed to the international spread of the virus.


7. 2008 Sichuan Earthquake – School Collapses

“Tofu-dreg” school buildings killed thousands of children.

Parents silenced, lawyers detained, journalists expelled.

No officials held accountable for substandard construction.


8. HIV Blood Scandal (1990s)

Henan province: government-run blood collection centers reused needles, infected 100,000+ people.

Victims silenced; officials promoted.



---

🟦 Environmental and Industrial Disasters

9. 2015 Tianjin Explosions

Massive industrial chemical explosion killed 173 people.

Poor storage regulations ignored.

Info blackout followed, journalists detained.


10. Yangtze River Flood Mismanagement (Various Years)

Dam projects like the Three Gorges altered natural ecosystems.

Poor planning led to worse flooding in downstream provinces.

Censorship blocked discussion on ecological effects.


11. Lead Poisoning in Children (Multiple Incidents)

Entire villages poisoned by local factories.

Parents arrested for protesting.

Authorities falsified or downplayed test results.



---

🟪 Tech & Surveillance Abuses

12. Social Credit System

Mass digital surveillance program tracking citizens' behavior, purchases, speech.

“Bad behavior” can result in being banned from travel, school, or jobs.


13. Great Firewall of China

Totalitarian control of internet access.

Blocks Google, Wikipedia, Twitter, YouTube, foreign news, and more.

VPN users tracked and punished.


14. Cyber Espionage & Theft

Ongoing global IP theft campaign targeting U.S. and Canadian companies.

Thousands of cyberattacks on research institutions, defense contractors, and corporations.



---

🟧 Political Manipulation & Global Interference

15. Disappearance of Dissidents & Tycoons

Jack Ma, Peng Shuai, Ren Zhiqiang (critic of Xi)—all vanished temporarily after public dissent.

Journalists like Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin detained after covering Wuhan outbreak.


16. Belt and Road Debt Traps

Loans to developing nations for infrastructure in exchange for political allegiance.

Countries like Sri Lanka forced to hand over assets when unable to repay.


17. Influence in Foreign Universities & Media

Confucius Institutes act as soft power arms, sometimes censoring academic speech.

Chinese companies pressure Western studios and platforms to edit or avoid “sensitive” topics.



---

🔻 Internal Systemic Failures

18. Hukou System (Household Registration)

Discriminates against rural citizens, denies them education, health care in cities.

Entrenches class divide and labor exploitation.


19. One-Child Policy Abuses (1979–2015)

Forced abortions, sterilizations, and infanticide.

Skewed gender ratio resulting in 30+ million “missing women.”


20. Cultural Revolution (1966–1976)

1.5+ million deaths, persecution of intellectuals, destruction of historical artifacts.

Mao’s regime encouraged children to denounce parents; society destabilized for a decade.

Shall we make a list of the genocides the USA did, such as the Vietnam or Falluja?

Originally posted by oldirty`:

TACO

TACO Trump still hasn't made a post on TruthSocial to respond to Elon either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy3-eMF7Xp0

Originally posted by Arvaos:

China’s near-total dominance of the world’s supply of rare-earth metals which are used in the manufacture of everything from cars and computer chips to F-35 fighter jets and nuclear-powered submarines – means Xi can squeeze the US where it hurts.

Beijing’s willingness to weaponise the rare-earths supply chain is so potent a threat to the US economy and military that it has already pushed the White House into de-escalating its planned trade war with China.

Has Trump picked a fight he can't win?

My man really pulled out a trap card, lol.

When the usa will fall let's remember who was the mad TACO who made a war against China and EU.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

China’s near-total dominance of the world’s supply of rare-earth metals which are used in the manufacture of everything from cars and computer chips to F-35 fighter jets and nuclear-powered submarines – means Xi can squeeze the US where it hurts.

Beijing’s willingness to weaponise the rare-earths supply chain is so potent a threat to the US economy and military that it has already pushed the White House into de-escalating its planned trade war with China.

Has Trump picked a fight he can't win?

you missed a lot.....many countries including the US have vast resources we are not tapping to run china dry at a cheap price.....case in point....LITHIUM.....we shut down the only battery production line in north America in 1996 do to the fact we were not mining lithium in the US and it was cheaper to let 3rd world countries pollute themselves making cheap products for us......

To be honest I think the PRC hold better cards when it comes to trade and manufacturing. Not that I condone poor working conditions but the west wants cheap stuff and the business owners want cheap labor. You will struggle to get those things domestically.