The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

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Why Ashley have so much 'insecurity' to begin with?
The projection everyone hates her so much is bothering me because I'm BPD and everytimes I play this game sometime I mirror her insecurity; no this is not a rant about hating but rather analytical thread instead, I was talking is it because trauma or her own instinct about everyone hating her, but instinct can't start from just inside but outside force--thinking "ah this person hate me" is not easy to pick up unless there is a catalyst of it, my prediction is from how Andy behave toward Leyley. The start of insecurity is easy just measily "I don't like you" is enough for a child to start their insecurity. I wish the author will give that much information next time, since Decay is a route that teaches me about how Andrew is, so maybe Burial will talk about Ashley deep seated insecurity (I'm talking about Leyley before Nina's death here sorry for not explaining before).
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bash 4 Dec @ 3:18am 
I would like to explore that in burial aswell.
WisNyaa 4 Dec @ 5:25am 
Andy’s behavior toward Leyley is often more transparent, warm, than her parents = Someone choosing the other sibling (Andrew spending time with anyone else than Ashley) feels like abandonment to her

Environmental influence (At home and school)
inconsistent emotional availability - Mother and Father

Favorisation of another child (feeling overshadowed by Andrew in her mothers eyes)

No proper child raising - (By the parents, lack of emotion or even small convo with her, she's often just pushed aside ''Not now'' ''Go bother your brother'') etc.)

No parental supervision - Watching +18 movies and learning social behaviour from that

I think its enough (sry for bad writing etc)
well the most obvious and major fact is that her parents didn't like or care about her and didn't help with her special needs (I think everyone can agree that she was always gonna be a difficult child). if people who are supposed to love you unconditionally don't like you at all any child would think that maybe there is just something wrong with them. she also couldn't socialise at all and of course she ended up realising that everyone else around also doesn't like her. (granted, with her attitude towards life and people I think had she actually tried to fit in she would just be andrew 2.0 - completely fake - but unlike andrew she wanted someone to get her and like her for who she is.)
(there is also this episode where she breaks her oath but it just goes back to my parenting point, it was her last resort to reach her mother. in fact, it was the pinnacle of her self-loathing).
and finally andy - who she liked best - just straight up admitted that he barely tolerated her. given that before it was 'i don't like you at all' she took it with gratitude, but i can't imagine it helped her self esteem. and then it all crushed when he showed her that he was ready to set her aside for normalcy with another girl (julia). it cemented the idea that to him she wasn't as special as he is to her. after all that it will take a lot of convincing for her to believe that he stays with her just because he likes her when he could just easily go back to a normal life and abandon her again. basically there is a A LOT of room for insecurity so im not surprised that their relationship are kinda doomed without addressing these (S&S)
Last edited by alisha.molenz; 4 Dec @ 6:20am
It’s scary for me to think about it,but i fear i have a lot in common with andrew in the regard that i always try to be a “fake version” of me just to fit anywhere without trouble,having a troubled family myself also didn’t help…
Originally posted by alisha.molenz:
well the most obvious and major fact is that her parents didn't like or care about her and didn't help with her special needs (I think everyone can agree that she was always gonna be a difficult child). if people who are supposed to love you unconditionally don't like you at all any child would think that maybe there is just something wrong with them. she also couldn't socialise at all and of course she ended up realising that everyone else around also doesn't like her. (granted, with her attitude towards life and people I think had she actually tried to fit in she would just be andrew 2.0 - completely fake - but unlike andrew she wanted someone to get her and like her for who she is.)
(there is also this episode where she breaks her oath but it just goes back to my parenting point, it was her last resort to reach her mother. in fact, it was the pinnacle of her self-loathing).
and finally andy - who she liked best - just straight up admitted that he barely tolerated her. given that before it was 'i don't like you at all' she took it with gratitude, but i can't imagine it helped her self esteem. and then it all crushed when he showed her that he was ready to set her aside for normalcy with another girl (julia). it cemented the idea that to him she wasn't as special as he is to her. after all that it will take a lot of convincing for her to believe that he stays with her just because he likes her when he could just easily go back to a normal life and abandon her again. basically there is a A LOT of room for insecurity so im not surprised that their relationship are kinda doomed without addressing these (S&S)
Last edited by Flairdarkslayer; 4 Dec @ 1:45pm
le-EK 5 Dec @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by WisNyaa:
Andy’s behavior toward Leyley is often more transparent, warm, than her parents = Someone choosing the other sibling (Andrew spending time with anyone else than Ashley) feels like abandonment to her

Environmental influence (At home and school)
inconsistent emotional availability - Mother and Father

Favorisation of another child (feeling overshadowed by Andrew in her mothers eyes)

No proper child raising - (By the parents, lack of emotion or even small convo with her, she's often just pushed aside ''Not now'' ''Go bother your brother'') etc.)

No parental supervision - Watching +18 movies and learning social behaviour from that

I think its enough (sry for bad writing etc)

Don't worry I get it all. It's so much crushing to understand what she is coming from now if you say about it, people that misunderstood Ashley will probably she is being having loose screw like everybody said in the school, in fact I feel much sorry now for her.
le-EK 5 Dec @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by alisha.molenz:
well the most obvious and major fact is that her parents didn't like or care about her and didn't help with her special needs (I think everyone can agree that she was always gonna be a difficult child). if people who are supposed to love you unconditionally don't like you at all any child would think that maybe there is just something wrong with them. she also couldn't socialise at all and of course she ended up realising that everyone else around also doesn't like her. (granted, with her attitude towards life and people I think had she actually tried to fit in she would just be andrew 2.0 - completely fake - but unlike andrew she wanted someone to get her and like her for who she is.)
(there is also this episode where she breaks her oath but it just goes back to my parenting point, it was her last resort to reach her mother. in fact, it was the pinnacle of her self-loathing).
and finally andy - who she liked best - just straight up admitted that he barely tolerated her. given that before it was 'i don't like you at all' she took it with gratitude, but i can't imagine it helped her self esteem. and then it all crushed when he showed her that he was ready to set her aside for normalcy with another girl (julia). it cemented the idea that to him she wasn't as special as he is to her. after all that it will take a lot of convincing for her to believe that he stays with her just because he likes her when he could just easily go back to a normal life and abandon her again. basically there is a A LOT of room for insecurity so im not surprised that their relationship are kinda doomed without addressing these (S&S)

Having parents that doesn't do child raising is the most crucial screw up ever. I feel I understand her emotionally, but cognitively not yet that deep.
WisNyaa 5 Dec @ 2:23am 
Originally posted by le-EK:
Originally posted by WisNyaa:
Andy’s behavior toward Leyley is often more transparent, warm, than her parents = Someone choosing the other sibling (Andrew spending time with anyone else than Ashley) feels like abandonment to her

Environmental influence (At home and school)
inconsistent emotional availability - Mother and Father

Favorisation of another child (feeling overshadowed by Andrew in her mothers eyes)

No proper child raising - (By the parents, lack of emotion or even small convo with her, she's often just pushed aside ''Not now'' ''Go bother your brother'') etc.)

No parental supervision - Watching +18 movies and learning social behaviour from that

I think its enough (sry for bad writing etc)

Don't worry I get it all. It's so much crushing to understand what she is coming from now if you say about it, people that misunderstood Ashley will probably she is being having loose screw like everybody said in the school, in fact I feel much sorry now for her.


Yeah, especially in the case of small children, where they perceive everything with emotions
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