The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

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Nikibugs 1 Dec @ 10:03pm
Unofficial Small Progress Report Discussion Thread
Since there was no linked discussion thread to go with December's 'Small Progress Report' Devlog this time, here's an unofficial one to react in.

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SCREAMING SCREAMING SCREAMING :coffinheart:

Even moreso than usual, I'm glad we got to hear from the author again! :leyhappy: :drewhappy: So torrential excessive hyperfixation floodgates after so many months for new speculative shenanigans.

Can't parse the context from the first CG of Andrew going "Don't worry. I'll fix that." Just that I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that expression lol.

More bitey Leyley! I hope we get to see the context for why she bit Rebecca at some point. I'm not at all surprised Leyley would have bit Andy too at some point lol. It's super cool to see the rough sketch that goes before the formal art, doodle Leyley's expression still gets a chuckle. Is Ashley in a tent for the other rough background sketch? The rabbit plushies tend to only appear in Ashley's dream sequences as a representation of them, since they would've been lost in the apartment fire if she still had them stashed somewhere.

Oh hey that's the bar from the Surgeon's younger flashback object! Only in the present there's some cultists chilling there now. Ashley's worried dialogue of "I want to leave but I think he's going to follow me home" might be them planning to lure someone to to their car, under the pretense of her being uncomfortable with the totally random boy stalking her lol. Since I don't think she'd care about a random cultist following them if Andrew's in tow, he's killed multiple people already (plus Ashley still has a gun to intimidate with regardless of it being loaded). I imagine they recognize the bar they're in (maybe they're scoping out the Surgeon for the Entity?), but they've also discussed inquiring with the cult for fake IDs at the end of Episode 2. I doubt it's her being uncomfortable with the not-Andy/Andrew persona implied in the June devlog; how would Andrew have to behave for Ashley to consider fleeing, if even Shots & Such didn't do it? Herm. Random thought. If Andrew accepts Lord Unknown's proposal to erase his distressing desires via suggestion, that doesn't exactly erase his possessiveness of her, does it? (Edit: Nor the codependency!). That could actually be a rather scary persona to imagine lol. (Edit: "Leave me, and I'll hunt you down just to ♥♥♥♥ you up" and "I should ♥♥♥♥ her up" are notable lines yet to be followed up on in Cliffhanger. While contradicting himself that he wants to keep her safe. Wait... oh no there was a locked wall next to that bed for Andrew's premonition where Ashley's decapitated wasn't there? In addition to his green plushie hanging).

OH NO I do NOT like the coincidence of Six Eyes comforting Ashley the same way Lord Unknown does to Andrew! (Hand on head with comforting words). Though it does pair hilariously with Andrew's immediate thought of "Suddenly you understand why people join cults" when Lord Unknown validates him the same way. Ashley would be hella susceptible to the validation cults can give (they aren't Andrew however), but if they also value tar souls, she might not realize the danger she's in, depending on why tar souls are considered valuable. I'm gonna die laughing if an old prediction ends up coming true, that they'd become important figures in the cult for an ending. I don't think Andrew would enjoy the risk however, even if it got them food and shelter back in the human world. Then again, it may be part of the partnership Lord Unknown's about to propose; maybe he can guarantee Ashley's safety somehow. Still. "It's okay to exist" being Ashley's validation. Oof. Back when they were teenagers, Andrew jokingly asks Ashley how she'd help with his existential dread, her answer being: "Ugh... Okay look, people die all the time. Lives come and go and come and go and come and go. What was so damn special about what's-her-name? Some brat among million others. Oh no, how will humanity ever recover??" "You're as blunt as ever..." "I mean us as well, who cares? We should do whatever we want, because we don't really matter. Two pieces of trash swimming in the landfill. Big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ deal." It's well known by this point Renee basically ignored her existence, classmates didn't get along with her, eventually even Leyley internalized something was just inherently wrong with her at such a devastatingly young age, with Grandpa's background commentary being just as vile. Her self-esteem and self-worth are set below zero. Something as simple as "It's okay to exist" is something she's needed to hear for a long time. Oof my heart.

Last but not least, AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. ELABORATION OF SHOTS & SUCH'S GUTWRENCHING TABLE DESCRIPTION TEXT??? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. My guess is it'll be implemented as a Vision Room scene for viewing that ending, or inspecting the table in that ending. I guess this is where I get a little personal rather than analytical for a bit, and apologies in advance for what I'm inevitably incorrect on. Just, why is it that every time there’s a scene that has me go, ah well, ace interpretations that comfort me looking less plausible, but I can still greatly appreciate the overlap I never thought I'd see depicted in a story; then get slapped in the face with the follow-up dialogue saying ♥♥♥♥ my aroace ass has deeply felt to a painful extent. [“I’m saying I’m fine without any lovey-dovey crap. Sex isn’t the be-all end-all for me that it seems to be for you. Because I love you way more than that!” “According to you, if I’m not ecstatically slobbering over your ♥♥♥♥ at all times, I don’t really love you!”]. I know it's a trillion layered hell nuance situation, I just, can’t emphasize how much that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hit home for me, again. How frustrating it feels that your love is never considered real or enough without sex. How you get blasted your whole life that the most significant and profound love not just involves, but requires sex as part of its truest expression. How much that painfully invalidates the love you feel for a person on your own terms. It’s why I often say there’s so much overlap with ace (and sometimes even aro) experiences. I give massive kudos for that, even if entirely unintentional.

Back to analytical shenanigans! Ashley's personal definition of '♥♥♥♥♥' greatly screws over herself and every woman in her life. It appears getting off, with or without seeking it, is all it takes to qualify, both for men and women alike; though she condemns women far more for it for a yet unknown reason (a viewpoint likely originating from the same place she picked up the degrading/dehumanizing terminology 'hussy', 'floozy', and even just 'hole' for any girl that crosses their path). She clarifies Andrew will never understand as it's different for women, but she won't go on to clarify what that difference is, leaving Andrew baffled as women are allowed to enjoy those things too. There's a monumental amount for her to unpack that will never happen in Shots & Such. I'm glad to hear Andrew was willing to give it up if she was that uncomfortable with it, but her insecurities would never allow such a thing, as she's aware he wants such things, which means he will seek it elsewhere if she does not provide it, so she won't approve of them stopping even if it contributes to both their mental detriment. She's framed it as this miserable martyrdom she performs for Andrew, as her 'objective' proof she loves him on what she considers his terms. The more she suffers from it, the more it inversely proves her love, when that just hurts them both. Yet that suffering manages to hurt less to her than becoming her definition of a '♥♥♥♥♥'; something that'd reach into her own self-image. Maybe it's the only thing she feels she has left that she doesn't dislike about herself, that'd make her become the other figures in her life she hated. It hurts to watch and breaks my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heart :leysad: :drewsad: Interestingly, at the start while wasted, she pulled a similar liar wording as she did in the tower scene, though this time, he wasn't exactly in a position to disprove if she initiated kissing him first. She doesn't realize she broke her own script/game lol.

Last silly tangent, but Andrew going "Heaven forbid you let me hold you once without turning it against me" might've better clarified what he meant near the end of his introspection scenes with Lord Unknown, where he could barely audibly say "...She means so much, but I can't even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hold her". Though he comes to a different conclusion when asked why not, "....Because it's-... I don't really want to. I think. It's pathological. If everything hadn't been so screwed up from the start, I know I wouldn't have ever come to see her that way. I wouldn't have rotted from the inside out..." MY HEART HURTS AND I NEED THE REST OF DECAY QAQ At the same time, I still laugh at the store page going "Discover why you're so codependent to begin with" "Make it worse" for what to expect bahahaha.

I guess at the end of this excited wall of text mess, I wanted somewhere to say thank you for somehow still hitting so incredibly close to home again, even if entirely unintentional. I legitimately wanted to cry. I keep thinking it'll be the last time it'll happen, then something else gets said that blindsides me in a very deep place. You're an excellent writer and artist, with kudos for skewering me this badly so many times in a row. I massively look forward to Decay Part 2, and hope you guys are having as much fun making it as we'll have playing it! :leyhappy: :drewhappy:
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jade gaming 1 Dec @ 10:40pm 
reading the end of the december devlog got me like[i.imgur.com]
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Mucho texto. >:)
SplitAsteroid6 2 Dec @ 11:10am 
It's good to see progress is being made. This game is something truly special, so it shouldn't be rushed.

That video was hard to watch. It's so sad to see that when these two tragic characters finally have a seemingly mutually happy intimate moment together, their relationship deteriorates further still immediatley afterwards.

It's clear that Ashley was upset by the loss of control over the situation, or at least not feeling like she was in control. It was very interesting to see how Ashley being drunk affected her. She almost became... ...like a somewhat normal person. This makes me wonder if she does indeed actually have a degree of natural lust within her, which she otherwise ruthlessly suppresses. Since it was her first time getting drunk, she wouldn't have known how the achohol would affect her. Or maybe it's just her possesiveness getting the best of her.

Either way, she obviously hated not being the one in control; Being an equal partner with Andrew is not enough for her. Andrew has shown superhuman levels of patience with her, trying to make their relationship work. Yet she'll never come to terms with the idea that she doesn't need to control Andrew for him to stay with her (at least in this branch of the Decay route). She's far too insecure and mentally damaged to change her mindset in that regard.

I'm beginning to wonder if the Deadest of Dead Ends ending is actually a 'happier' ending for Andrew and Ashley than Shots and Such. At least in that ending they were able to make a game out of their last moments together.

I'm excited for the future chapters. I'm sure it'll be fascinating to see where the other branches of the story of these two will lead to.
First, let me say thank you Nikibugs for your honesty, insight, and hard work in the community of "The coffin of Andy and Leley." Second, you showed your vulnerability in how the game connects with you emotional and the reality of being Aromantic Asexual in the world that see the complete love by others with Intimate relationship aka "Sex". It is sad to say, the main problem with the duo is communication, trust, and self refection to find truth. The words that you barely heard in the game is "can we talk", "sorry", and any responsibility taken of actions to improve. This game has showed many people there is hope to change and let go of the past for the scares to heal. Let's hope for the best and brace for the worst. :coffinheart::drewhappy::leyhappy:

I'm not an AI >:v I just write like my job
Last edited by Alexander_Faust1604; 2 Dec @ 7:12pm
Originally posted by Alexander_Faust1604:
First, let me say thank you Nikibugs for your honesty, insight, and hard work in the community of "The coffin of Andy and Leley." Second, you showed your vulnerability in how the game connects with you emotional and the reality of being Aromantic Asexual in the world that see the complete love by others with Intimate relationship aka "Sex". It is sad to say, the main problem with the duo is communication, trust, and self refection to find truth. The words that you barley heard in the game is "can we talk", "sorry", and any responsibility taken of actions to improve. This game has showed many people there is hope to change and let go of the past for the scares to heal. Let's hope for the best and brace for the worst. :coffinheart::drewhappy::leyhappy:

No offense, but your post reads like AI. The reason why I'm not accusing you of being a bot is because I can't fathom what a bot would be doing in a place like this. Also, I didn't know that bots could use coffin emotes.

Just thought you should be aware of that.
Originally posted by Just a premium Noob TCPub:
No offense, but your post reads like AI. The reason why I'm not accusing you of being a bot is because I can't fathom what a bot would be doing in a place like this. Also, I didn't know that bots could use coffin emotes.

Just thought you should be aware of that.
I don't think an AI would have written barley instead of barely, thought it's not impossible.
Originally posted by segfault (core dumped):
Originally posted by Just a premium Noob TCPub:
No offense, but your post reads like AI. The reason why I'm not accusing you of being a bot is because I can't fathom what a bot would be doing in a place like this. Also, I didn't know that bots could use coffin emotes.

Just thought you should be aware of that.
I don't think an AI would have written barley instead of barely, thought it's not impossible.
Just checked their profile, they have been here since 2023, are friends with OP, has at least 64 games aswell, like, five other friends? didn't count, but checked a few of those out too, seem pretty human to me.
Again. I wasn't accusing him of being a bot. I just thought his writing sounded very strange.
Sukaiba 2 Dec @ 9:10pm 
Originally posted by SplitAsteroid6:
It's clear that Ashley was upset by the loss of control over the situation, or at least not feeling like she was in control. It was very interesting to see how Ashley being drunk affected her. She almost became... ...like a somewhat normal person. This makes me wonder if she does indeed actually have a degree of natural lust within her, which she otherwise ruthlessly suppresses. Since it was her first time getting drunk, she wouldn't have known how the achohol would affect her. Or maybe it's just her possesiveness getting the best of her.

I was very contemplative about it

On one hand, Ashley has always made her desires and wants very clear, the problem is usually that she's unbelievably sんit at navigating emotional conversation obstacle courses, something that Andrew is comparatively (even disturbingly) amazing at
So in this case her being lustful for Andrew would have been pretty evident if she DID indeed feel that way, hell, Burial does establish? that she thought it'd get to that point eventually, but after sobering, acts as if she didn't want Andrew's Andy afterwards (Read 2nd Hand)

On the other hand, well, one of the effects of drunkenness has always (possibly) been revealing the true nature of someone; perhaps with how childish Ashley is at heart, she'd be embarassed about it afterwards, but then again, during the story and Burial, she makes it clear how she really doesn't see incienso in any more of an awful light than murder, something she's completely OK with, but as I said with the first point (Read 1st Hand)
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(Me wanting to badge participation as I've missed the monthly devlogs a ton, only for it to get derailed almost instantly lol) (Alexander_Faust1604 messages me a bunch, he does just type like that)

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Originally posted by SplitAsteroid6:

It's good to see progress is being made. This game is something truly special, so it shouldn't be rushed.

That video was hard to watch. It's so sad to see that when these two tragic characters finally have a seemingly mutually happy intimate moment together, their relationship deteriorates further still immediatley afterwards.

It's clear that Ashley was upset by the loss of control over the situation, or at least not feeling like she was in control. It was very interesting to see how Ashley being drunk affected her. She almost became... ...like a somewhat normal person. This makes me wonder if she does indeed actually have a degree of natural lust within her, which she otherwise ruthlessly suppresses. Since it was her first time getting drunk, she wouldn't have known how the achohol would affect her. Or maybe it's just her possesiveness getting the best of her.

Either way, she obviously hated not being the one in control; Being an equal partner with Andrew is not enough for her. Andrew has shown superhuman levels of patience with her, trying to make their relationship work. Yet she'll never come to terms with the idea that she doesn't need to control Andrew for him to stay with her (at least in this branch of the Decay route). She's far too insecure and mentally damaged to change her mindset in that regard.

I'm beginning to wonder if the Deadest of Dead Ends ending is actually a 'happier' ending for Andrew and Ashley than Shots and Such. At least in that ending they were able to make a game out of their last moments together.

I'm excited for the future chapters. I'm sure it'll be fascinating to see where the other branches of the story of these two will lead to.

Ditto! I'm surprised it was called a 'small' progress report, given it had more screenshots than a usual Devlog, plus a whole video! Way to start December with a wrecking ball lol. I do wish they were a little more frequent than 6 months, I was getting anxious TwT

Speaking of anxious, the second I saw the video open with Shots & Such's apartment, and Ashley curious of the odd flavored alcohol, I knew exactly what heartwrenching text string was getting elaborated. Ashley's crashout after just broke my heart.

I think you're very right, that Ashley feeling she lost control is what freaked her out badly. As an irl friend put it, it must've been so disorienting to her sense of self after realizing what happened. It's one thing to feel powerless (which would explain why she's still trying to test her luck to be a cannibal, given her explanation in Episode 2 was it made her feel powerful), but to lose control and do something she has VERY complicated feelings that she can't properly unpack or articulate for Andrew to understand, just had her lash out and desperately try to assert she's still the same person, nothing's changed, it didn't taint some part of her (based on a very harmful view of what makes one a ♥♥♥♥♥). No wonder she refused alcohol afterwards.

Deadest of Dead Ends might've been the 'happier' ending for Andrew, as he's admitted to thinking about ending things for a long time (and is able to go through with it, seen in Andrew Wins at Tag). What held him back was needing to make sure something else was taking care of Ashley, believing the Entity was able. Ashley ends up expressing hesitation, but Andrew doesn't have to say much for her to join him. She wanted to see him smile, for him not to hate her, and already considered Andrew's death to be her own if he was going to peace out. Andrew smiles on the way down because he considers it to mean Ashley truly cared about him. RIP Ashley just clinging and bracing with her eyes closed. It depressingly ends up being the 'happier' fate for cutting short what would've been Shots & Such ending. Oof.

I straight up can't wait for this branch of Decay, I have a feeling it'll be my favorite. Andrew's introspection scenes were fantastic, I hope he can help Ashley through her problems too! I just want them to be ok (>;~;)> :leysad: :drewsad: (Dangit Andrew how is your pilfered decapitation premonition going to come into play xD) (Then me endlessly chuckling at the Store Page's "Make it worse")
SolidPayne 4 Dec @ 3:38am 
Originally posted by Just a premium Noob TCPub:
Again. I wasn't accusing him of being a bot. I just thought his writing sounded very strange.
Yeah, he talks like that alot. He and I have become good friends and he's real into poetry and and doesn't have the best people skills. I'm not saying this to be mean, I've even talked to him about this before so it's something we work on but just keep that in mind.
SolidPayne 4 Dec @ 3:40am 
I must be an idiot I guess. When Ashley said he might follow her, I thought she was talking about the bartender or one of the cultists, I didn't immediately think it was Andrew she was referring to.
Originally posted by Nikibugs:
I think you're very right, that Ashley feeling she lost control is what freaked her out badly. As an irl friend put it, it must've been so disorienting to her sense of self after realizing what happened. It's one thing to feel powerless (which would explain why she's still trying to test her luck to be a cannibal, given her explanation in Episode 2 was it made her feel powerful), but to lose control and do something she has VERY complicated feelings that she can't properly unpack or articulate for Andrew to understand, just had her lash out and desperately try to assert she's still the same person, nothing's changed, it didn't taint some part of her (based on a very harmful view of what makes one a ♥♥♥♥♥). No wonder she refused alcohol afterwards.

Deadest of Dead Ends might've been the 'happier' ending for Andrew, as he's admitted to thinking about ending things for a long time (and is able to go through with it, seen in Andrew Wins at Tag). What held him back was needing to make sure something else was taking care of Ashley, believing the Entity was able. Ashley ends up expressing hesitation, but Andrew doesn't have to say much for her to join him. She wanted to see him smile, for him not to hate her, and already considered Andrew's death to be her own if he was going to peace out. Andrew smiles on the way down because he considers it to mean Ashley truly cared about him. RIP Ashley just clinging and bracing with her eyes closed. It depressingly ends up being the 'happier' fate for cutting short what would've been Shots & Such ending. Oof.

I thought the reason Andrew was laughing as he fell to hid death, was because of the overwhelming feeling of catharsis he must have felt, knowing that he finally doesn't have to deal with all of the baggage and guilt he's been carrying for most of his life. Perhaps it's that in addition to what you said about Ashley caring about him. In the Decay route, it doesn't seem to me that Ashley cares about Andrew. She refuses to grow out of the persona of Leyley. She continues to do whatever she wants, disregarding the consequences of her actions. She remains selfish. To me it seems more like a kind of business relationship arrangement at best. Maybe it's not quite as bad as that, but I think it's close.

I'm wondering if a middle-ground between Deadest of Dead Ends and Shots and Such could exist. Andrew and Ashley agree to spend one last day together (I'm planning to explore this idea in my own fan-fiction ending). They could try (I stress the word try) to unpack some of the baggage they have with each other, and consider getting intimate again, but this time both being willing. Andrew could say that he wants to show Ashley what it means to be loved, and that he thinks she'd be interested in sex because he'd be giving her his full attention, in a way he hasn't done before. In return, Andrew promises to spend their remaining time alive together. If the player interacts with the bed in the 'Splat' ending, Ashley does seem interested in doing it again with Andrew, but he dismisses the idea when she reminds him of their first time. However, even under these circumstances, it may not be enough to overcome their inability to open up to each other. If Andrew made it clear to Ashley that he wanted to die with her, but would first give her the chance to try sex again, I wonder what she'd think. I assume she'd be curious, and if they did do it, think 'It was nice to have done it', or perhaps she'd be indifferent/neutral to it, not especially liking or disliking it. Without alcohol, she wouldn't have a reason to have a meltdown afterwards. She's never enjoy it as much as Andrew, because I believe she has a warped or only surface-level understanding of sex, or of love for that matter.

What do you think?
Originally posted by SplitAsteroid6:
I thought the reason Andrew was laughing as he fell to hid death, was because of the overwhelming feeling of catharsis he must have felt, knowing that he finally doesn't have to deal with all of the baggage and guilt he's been carrying for most of his life. Perhaps it's that in addition to what you said about Ashley caring about him. In the Decay route, it doesn't seem to me that Ashley cares about Andrew. She refuses to grow out of the persona of Leyley. She continues to do whatever she wants, disregarding the consequences of her actions. She remains selfish. To me it seems more like a kind of business relationship arrangement at best. Maybe it's not quite as bad as that, but I think it's close.

I'm wondering if a middle-ground between Deadest of Dead Ends and Shots and Such could exist. Andrew and Ashley agree to spend one last day together (I'm planning to explore this idea in my own fan-fiction ending). They could try (I stress the word try) to unpack some of the baggage they have with each other, and consider getting intimate again, but this time both being willing. Andrew could say that he wants to show Ashley what it means to be loved, and that he thinks she'd be interested in sex because he'd be giving her his full attention, in a way he hasn't done before. In return, Andrew promises to spend their remaining time alive together. If the player interacts with the bed in the 'Splat' ending, Ashley does seem interested in doing it again with Andrew, but he dismisses the idea when she reminds him of their first time. However, even under these circumstances, it may not be enough to overcome their inability to open up to each other. If Andrew made it clear to Ashley that he wanted to die with her, but would first give her the chance to try sex again, I wonder what she'd think. I assume she'd be curious, and if they did do it, think 'It was nice to have done it', or perhaps she'd be indifferent/neutral to it, not especially liking or disliking it. Without alcohol, she wouldn't have a reason to have a meltdown afterwards. She's never enjoy it as much as Andrew, because I believe she has a warped or only surface-level understanding of sex, or of love for that matter.

What do you think?

It can be both, it’s an end to the suffering and stress and endless bullshittery that’s never getting better, but also seeing Ashley choose to do something he considered to be her truly caring about him, twisted as that wish was (plus it was a ‘romantic’ gesture for the poetry nerd). He admitted the last time he was happy was when Ashley joked about them racing off the balcony together, and it’s no coincidence she offered that when she thought he hated her, then went through with it despite hesitation. It was heartwrenching seeing her want his approval and laughter again to that fatal an extent. But also to see how long Andrew’s been considering it, when he thought to himself shortly before he wished he’d never been born.

Andrew’s also been rather fixated on sharing a fate with Ashley. During Andrew Wins at Tag ending, he expressed regret that they couldn’t jump off the balcony together anymore, only to go on to end things the same way he did Ashley, with the cleaver (despite jesting she would’ve nagged him for not going out a more ‘manly’ way). Prior in the same scene, he tells Ashley to shoot herself right after if she were to shoot him dead lol. Even in the original Decay premonition, if Ashley opts not to shoot, it’s implied her follows her shortly after ('then I'll see you in a bit'), presumably also with his cleaver.


I can’t speak much on fanfiction what-ifs, but DoDE/S&S is the ending where neither of their baggage is addressed, and both of their worst traits win. S&S is their ugliest possible outcome when their unresolved issues continue to decay them both into worse misery.

For your scenario though, I’d try to follow up on the dialogue for checking Carl’s bed one last time. Something Andrew wants to voice but doesn’t, is confronting Ashley’s definition of a ♥♥♥♥♥, which is practically the exact opposite of its actual definition (“I didn’t do it to get off anyway. I’m not some ♥♥♥♥♥.” […] “You question wouldn’t the sex being transactional make her the very definition of a ♥♥♥♥♥, but decide not to ask.”) (ignoring the narrator’s explanation afterwards why that won’t be happening here haha! It’s happening over in the other Decay branch with Lord Unknown). That same dialogue also started with Andrew self-conscious enough to clarify it wasn’t his best, with Ashley joking about one last ‘mishap’ before DoDE, so resolve that however you like lol, even if it’s ultimately a no, or it still wasn’t what he was hoping. Ashley said the last time she was happy was when they were fooling around on Renee’s couch, so maybe Andrew could redo that for her, before they redo what Andrew said was the last time he was happy with her joking about them racing off the balcony. Seems fair they get to do both on a last day extension.
Originally posted by Nikibugs:
Originally posted by SplitAsteroid6:

I can’t speak much on fanfiction what-ifs, but DoDE/S&S is the ending where neither of their baggage is addressed, and both of their worst traits win. S&S is their ugliest possible outcome when their unresolved issues continue to decay them both into worse misery.

For your scenario though, I’d try to follow up on the dialogue for checking Carl’s bed one last time. Something Andrew wants to voice but doesn’t, is confronting Ashley’s definition of a ♥♥♥♥♥, which is practically the exact opposite of its actual definition (“I didn’t do it to get off anyway. I’m not some ♥♥♥♥♥.” […] “You question wouldn’t the sex being transactional make her the very definition of a ♥♥♥♥♥, but decide not to ask.”) (ignoring the narrator’s explanation afterwards why that won’t be happening here haha! It’s happening over in the other Decay branch with Lord Unknown). That same dialogue also started with Andrew self-conscious enough to clarify it wasn’t his best, with Ashley joking about one last ‘mishap’ before DoDE, so resolve that however you like lol, even if it’s ultimately a no, or it still wasn’t what he was hoping. Ashley said the last time she was happy was when they were fooling around on Renee’s couch, so maybe Andrew could redo that for her, before they redo what Andrew said was the last time he was happy with her joking about them racing off the balcony. Seems fair they get to do both on a last day extension.

You make an excellent point about Ashley's view on sex. That's probably the most important thing that needs to be addressed, if she and Andrew were to get into bed together and not fight about it afterwards. Since resolving their baggage goes against the spirit of the Decay route, perhaps some reflection would suffice?

Based upon the new video from the latest update, it seems that Ashley wears her insecurities like an armour. They may be deep-rooted, but they're not absolute. She's adopted her current mindset in a misguided attempt to protect herself. Under the influence of Alcohol, it didn't take much for her to want to sleep with Andrew.

There are several points Andrew could raise to challenge her view on the subject, such as his sex with Julia being unfulfilling (since he forced the relationship due to not wanting people to think he was banging his sister, and because he wanted to be 'normal'), the fact that her frame of reference for love is screwed up because of her Mom not ever giving her love, her own lack of experience in relationships, and how he's always been steadfast in his commitment to never pressuring Ashley into giving him affection. If he tells Ashley that love and sex is more than just the physiacal pleasure of intimacy, but also the emtional and psycological connection you have with your partner (that's why people are selective when it comes to dating IRL), I think that would go a long way to convince her that it's worth trying again, out of her own genuine desire. Considering how she stops being able to 'see' Andrew after he kills and butchers their parents, it would be enticing for her.
Andrew couldn't offer her Andy anymore, not after he tried to kill her and beat her up, but he could offer her something else.

I was planning to have them talk about sex, and I think your suggestion may have completed the puzzle for me. Thank you for that.
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